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« Thread Started on Aug 6, 2007, 2:20am »

Alright me and the rest of the staff have discussed this and we want your input since this will effect you. While we appreciate the feedback of all members State Alchemists and the sort are especially appreciated since you will be the ones most effected by this.

The first thing we would like to ask you all is your opinion on this. I am sure it is no secret that with the creation of the staff characters a storyline is in the works and like any good quest quality RPing that brings development to the storyline should be awarded. Now we already have some ideas on how to do this but this idea came up as well.

All current state alchemists and alchemists alter their bios so that they have nothing that allows them to do alchemy without a circle. Meaning that EVERY alchemical reaction will need a circle. And such items like Roy Mustang's gloves (as an example) will be rewarded by the staff. This makes that ability much more rare and thus special. Also it means we don't have a ton of alchemists running around doing some things with no circle.

Obviously the reason that we ask you is that it is hardly fair to allow you to do one thing and then take it away without even getting your thoughts on the matter.

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The second thing I wanted to bring to your attention was that the staff have also been thinking of limiting the number of State Alchemists to those that can pass the test. Now this will not effect any state alchemist that is already one. But there is only supposed to be 1 or 2 passed each time. And already they make up 1/3 of the board.

But at the same time we realize that State Alchemists are naturally the popular choice for people to be but the sheer numbers of them as well as the questionable quality of some of the bios for them has led us to thinking about this option. Again it makes the title a bit more special and worth more.

Nothing is decided yet with either of these things as of now and we would really love to hear from all of you since you are all a part of this site. So please let us know what you think.

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« Reply #1 on Aug 6, 2007, 1:03pm »

Regarding the first issue, it makes sense to me, but I need to check with one thing concerning my character. Isus Jarode uses Transmutation Circles with every action except for one: transmuting his Automail arm. He uses a single Transmutation Circle etched on the shoulder point of his arm to transmute the form of the arm into a shortsword, spear or a small shield however necessary. What I'm wondering is if this could really count as "Transmutation without a Circle," considering it's a pretty-designed circle. If it does, I could change it, but I was curious if it's necessary or not.

Secondly, I feel the idea to keep State Alchemists restricted is good, but if that's the case, then you definitely need to do the same with Chimeras and Homunculii. If you only restricted State Alchemists, then it's possible you'll have more people become Chimeras, and since most Chimeras are enemies of the State by default, then that could make things extremely difficult for those of us on that side of the board. Therefore, I suggest that you have a "quota" of State Alchemists and Chimeras for each month. For example, say that you make a quota of having five new State Alchemists and Chimeras to be allowed for joining every month (probably not an accurate number, but it's just an example). That way those who are accepted as State Alchemists the first time around are truly something special, and since there weren't thousands of people that were transmuted into Chimeras, then that keeps the population accurate.

If someone who attempts to be a State Alchemist fails, then you could continue the method of making them Freelance Alchemists instead. With all the other character types then - Humans and Military Personnel - there could be an infinite amount, especially considering that these character types could become anything. Finally, with Homunculii, I suggest that you make them into Special Characters, considering there were only seven of their kind in the Anime and Manga, with the majority of them created by Dante or Father. Therefore, anyone that becomes a Homunculis should be seriously considered by the Staff beforehand, then placed in the Special Characters Section.

Just my thoughts on that.

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« Reply #2 on Aug 6, 2007, 11:59pm »

Well, if State Alchemists are supposed to have passed an exam, why not hold an exam thread every so often with all three stages? A short written exam through PM, a verbal exam and practical exam on the thread, etcetera etcetera. A poorly designed character would stand no chance at passing the test, and the people who fail the exam would add to the three non-state alchemists that already exist.

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« Reply #3 on Aug 7, 2007, 11:25am »

Define "alchemy without a circle". Because if you refer to anything like the hand clapping or any such thing, then fair enough. However, if you are reffering to the use of pre-made circles on clothing or (as is my characters case) etched/tattooed on the alchemist's body?

Because the entire way my character works relies heavily on his ability to use the tattoo's on his hands, as I've made him relatively slow at drawing circles (as a way of showing this, it would take me a preparation post before I could use any alchemy other than his signature lightning bolt). If I was forced to remove that aspect of him, I would literally have to scrap the character and start over because without those, he is neither fit to be a state alchemist, nor is he going to be of any use in a fight.

All the other factors I agree with whole heartedly. Rewards are always good, and I've believed in the idea of having to be proven fit to be a state alchemist before you can become one since the idea was first proposed.

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« Reply #4 on Aug 7, 2007, 12:20pm »

Saw the "If we limit states, we should limit Homunculi and Chimera." Argument....

The staff already was limiting those two before this.

And what is meant by "Alchemy without a circle" is really "Alchemy without drawing a circle."

But I believe that the reason staff is thinking of stopping this now is because too many people are just alchemizing left and right for just about everything. Most people in the anime who had "quick circles" only utilized those circles for certain kinds of transmutations. Roy could only snap his fingers to make flames. Armstrong only effected stone/minerals. Siren did water. ETC. James, you have a solid idea of how to do things, only quick-mute a lightning bolt, take time on others. But that standard might not be getting followed.

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Re: ~All Read~
« Reply #5 on Aug 7, 2007, 3:23pm »

There's nothing for me to add that hasn't already been said, but I pretty much stand where Isus does.

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Re: ~All Read~
« Reply #6 on Aug 9, 2007, 4:28am »

Actually?

I think it's more fair I wanted to work up to earning something like that since I felt it just didn't fit my character them just starting with an item that can do that. Because where's the fun if everyone has an alchemy circle on them in some-place or another so they can do instant alchemy so to speak. It's unfair for those of us who actually want to work our way to that point. Roy and Armstrong both had this stuff true but, as Baxter said it was limited to a single type of reaction. Right now Peter has a pretty broad ability and deciding the focused specialty would effect what the special item would be. I think it would be fun to work to that.

Limiting State Alchemists, Chimeras, and Homunculii I fully support because really we're having too many state alchemists, we don't need half a ton of Chimeras or Homunculii either. I agree that Homunculii should also be considered as special characters given their unique abilities and growth needs (red crystals). Also the State Alchemist exam was meant to be tough so I feel the number should be limited.

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Re: ~All Read~
« Reply #7 on Aug 9, 2007, 12:43pm »

Hmm..... so etched circles should only be able to conduct a single action, such as a repetitive move or so? I think that'd work pretty well.

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« Reply #8 on Aug 9, 2007, 7:17pm »

That's how Mustang's and Armstrong's circles appeared to work. They only focused on a single type of reaction. I still think they should be earned up to since it would represent a dedicated mastery of that skill.

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« Reply #9 on Aug 9, 2007, 9:08pm »

You don't need just a circle either. There are several alchemists who have tattoos or objects they wear with latin words carved into them, then to make a trunsmutation, the form their arms into a circle. The greatest example of this would probably be Basque Grand in the manga.

He had there huge metal gauntlets/gloves he wears, without a single transumation circle on them. But, the gloves have all sorts of Latin words engraved into them. Then, to make the circle, he punches his fists together. So, I'll assume with the proper amount of knowledge, one could create a transmutated object, without an actual transmutation circle.

The question is more or less, whether the admins, or higher ups would allow us to use such things with alchemist characters.

Grand's Alchemy:
Proof of only Latin words on Grand's gloves/gauntlets
Grand using his alchemy

Also, if I remember correctly, Grand also uses his blood to transmutate metals out of mostly non-metalic compounds. As, blood carries some metallic features.

So out of question, can we use this sort of thing with alchemist characters, admins?

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Another example could be the Ishbaln, Grand Archanum. It's similar and Scar's right arm is covered in Latin words, but it also holds some transmutation circles. If you look closely at a lot of powerful transmutations circles (like, the Human Transmutation Circle for example) there are some Latin words and/or phrases.

So, it could be possible to just have Lation words and/or phrases on your arms, with a object or tattoo. So, it is a possible theory, but you'll have to get permission from the admins first.

What does everyone think about that? Admins? Alchemists? Members?

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Re: ~All Read~
« Reply #10 on Aug 9, 2007, 9:51pm »

That's WAY too advanced for a starting character, so unfortunately, I'll have to decline, or at least point against it. Simply using engraved words or other symbols to create objects, even if a basic action or repetitive one as mentioned before, seems far too knowledgeable for a new member. That kind of power ought to be left alone for the Staff to reward to veteran members.

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« Reply #11 on Aug 9, 2007, 10:11pm »

Well, I was just considering the thought, especially since it could be useful. Considering I already have to characters, I've been thinking about aming an alhemist, though I doubt I would've gone with the Latin stuff. To annoying. But, just a thought that might become useful later.

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